europe and latin america.iberia is being a nichey being specialized in traffic between europe and latin america. that is where they make most of their money in profits. by that's all. so both of those airlines were obliged to merge or up kwopg, collaboration in order to survive. in order to survive, to remain one of the big carriers in europe competing with lufthansa and its satellite, brussels airways and -- >> are they going to be able to do that now? >> excuse me? >> are they going to be able to do that now? are they now, with this deal, going to be able to compete with lufthansa and the air france-klm alliances? >> well, in you count the number of carriers that may profit in the year 2009, they were able to make profits. by merging, those two carriers were able to set it up, able to compete with two other major european groups which are air france klm and lufthansa. it's the only solution for them to be -- to remain in the air transport industry for the coming years. >> is that also the only way for us airways and united airlines reportedly in merger talks, as well, so survive? as you know,